You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience, and maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

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Hello, I'm Harriet Gilbert.

Thank you for downloading a good read, the podcasts,

where two guests and I recommend books we love and describe why we love them.

We don't always see eye to eye, but I hope you'll

find some great reading suggestions here. Hello, if you're wondering what to read next, we've

got a few suggestions. With me, our first, the poet and novelist Amy Blakemore, or A.K. Blakemore,

as she's known to readers, award-winning author of the Manningtree witches and most recently The Glutton.

With Amy is the art historian, curator and broadcaster Katie Hessel, whose book The Story of Art Without Men was a bestseller in both the UK and US.

Katie also celebrates women's art via her great women artists' Instagram account and podcast.

Okay, so would you like to start us? Katie, what is your choice of a good read?

Today my choice is chess by Stefan Zweig, which follows the story of a ship's journey from New York to Buenos Aires.

And on that ship is a game of chess that gets played.

The world chess champion, Chentevik, is aboard the ship, but everyone's very excited. It's a book that explores class isolation, but it's also was written in 1941 by Stefan Zweig, who was a Jewish

author, who had to be exiled

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