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Hello, I'm Harriet Gilbert.

Thank you for downloading a good read, the podcasts,

where two guests and I recommend books we love and describe why we love them.

We don't always see eye to eye, but I hope you'll find

some great reading suggestions here. Hello, today I'm joined by Janet Ellis, erstwhile

star of Blue Peter, now the author of two novels, most recently how it was, and host of the

Twice Upon a Time podcast, where guests remember their favourite childhood book.

With Janet is Jason Arday, Professor of Sociology of Education at the University of Cambridge.

Jason is a trustee of the Race Equality Think Tank, the Ronnie Mead Trust.

Janet Ellis, would you start us off with your choice of Goodread?

I've chosen The cut-out girl by

Bart Van S. This is ostensibly the story of Heseline de Jong, known as Leon throughout the book,

who was one of the many thousands of Jewish children who were separated from their parents

after the Nazi invasion of Holland, particularly in Amsterdam, and hidden away. Obviously,

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