So welcome to the first ever Armstrong and Getty podcast. We probably need a jazz your name for this, but it's going to be our long-form conversations with people we like.

Yeah, I kind of like it.

It's a standalone name. It's very, uh...

Very down to earth.

Well, it's descriptive.

It's like, you know, Boston's first album was called Boston.

I get it. You know where they're from?

Mm-hmm. Atlanta.

Cheesecake, father.

They have cheesecake.

That's what you're getting.

That's right.

So, uh... anyway, this is our long-form podcast.

And our first guest is a good old friend.

Personally and professionally, Tim Sandefur, vice president for litigation at the Goldwater Institute.

He also spent 15 years at the Pacific Legal Foundation, an organization which were big, big fans of.

He's the author of Cornerstone of Liberty, Property Rights in 21st Century America,

co-authored with his fabulous wife, Christina Sandefur.

The writer and a living, the conscience of the Constitution.

A wonderful new-ish book about Frederick Douglass, called Frederick Douglass Self-Made Man,

and a great writer and thinker.

Pay Tim.

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