Really excited about our next guest Larry Diamondy's a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution co-

Editor founding co-editor of the Journal of Democracy senior consultant at the International Forum for Democratic Studies of the National Endowment for Democracy China

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We're gonna talk about China as research focuses on Democratic trends and conditions around the world

And he's just been part of producing a big

New report about the way China is trying to influence the West in ways both the savory and unsavory including the United States looking forward to this

Larry Diamondy joins us now welcome. We appreciate you joining us for the podcast

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The current zeitgeist is to hang on every mention every

Whiff of anybody talking to any Russians and act as though that is self-evidently a betrayal of the nation or a dangerous activity and that sort of thing

And I'm not to downplaying Vladimir Putin in his plans, but it's funny that no such sentiment exists about our many many contacts with China

Well, I think that's beginning to change and we make very clear

In this report we've just released with the Hoover Institution that we do not want to

Generate or feed a generalized hysteria about China or contacts with China and certainly not about Chinese Americans or even Chinese visitors in the United States

But they do have an agenda here to penetrate and sway our democracy and we need to wake up to it

And how are they going about penetrating our democracy?

Well, not as

deeply

And alarmingly is they have an Australian New Zealand where there's ample evidence of them really having

penetrated politics through campaign contributions and

enlisting for the work of their companies and business people of former prime ministers and former ministers

but you know they are

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