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Tom Holman was on in the 1 o'clock hour right at the start of the show.

You missed it.

We're going to replay it at 3.30, right after Debra's news.

So you can hear it just after 3.30.

If you miss it a second time, yes, there's the podcast posted after 4 o'clock.

And he was in great Tom Holman for.

It's, you know what's different talking to him than almost anyone else in politics or in government?

He speaks very bluntly and directly.

There's absolutely no BS, no spin, no jargon, no, no like Gavin Newsom nonsense. He just says

bluntly. And one of the things you'll hear in the interview is a very important concept.

Everything they're doing is United States law. It's federal law. All the immigration enforcement is because federal law is being violated, and ICE has the authority to enforce all that immigration law.

And as you'll hear him say in the interview, if people don't like it, you can have Congress change the law.

But that is the law, and they're there to enforce it.

And why people don't understand that? I have no idea. But they, but you know, when you don't

enforce laws like immigration for 40 plus years, I guess people didn't know. And it's kind of jarring.

But yeah, that's what's supposed to be done. In fact, had they done this

for the last 40 years, we wouldn't have a lot of these problems at all. And we'd have a lot more

money to spend on ourselves on our issues. But Tom Holman, we will replay it again after 3.30 here.

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