Hey, Fran, Graham Baldwin here.

Hey, what if I told you that there was a single marketing asset that you could use to book tens of thousands of dollars in paid speaking gigs before you even have a website?

Well, that tool exists.

And Dan Irvin, one of the speakers on our team, used it to book over $36,000 in speaking gigs without a fancy website or any social media presence.

Even better, we're going to teach you exactly how

to create that tool for your speaking business in under an hour. For a limited time, we're going to

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That's what you got to do is go to the speakelab.com slash marketing and we'll see you there.

Hey, what's up for Inge? Grant Baldwin here. Welcome back to the Speaka Lab podcast. So good to have you here with us today. I hope you're having a great day wherever you are in the world. If you haven't already, definitely check out the successful speaker, five steps for booking gigs, getting paid, building your platform. It's the new book that we had come out earlier this year. It's going to give you exactly what you need to know

about building and growing your speaking business, whether you want to book a couple of gigs or a whole bunch of gigs, whether you're brand new or you've been at it for a long time. You definitely need to pick up your copy of the successful speaker. You can go to Amazon, Barnes Noble, wherever you buy your books, go check it out. Again, the book is called The Successful Speaker, Five Steps for Booking Gigs, Getting Paid, and Building Your Platform. All right, today we're going to get into a

really good conversation with Nicole Walters. Nicole is a phenomenal speaker. We've spoken

at some events together. We've done a couple panels together, and she's a, not only a great speaker,

but an amazing human, a great friend, and really, really enjoy this conversation.

This was a heavy topic where we talked about race and racism in the speaking industry.

And so I ask her some tough questions and turn to navigate that.

And so we have me as a white male and her as a black female, just discussing what exists in the marketplace,

how she goes about things, how she thinks about things differently, how she sees things that I,

you know, again, as a white male speaker, am completely naive to.

And I don't fully understand.

And so we dig into that and what that's like.

She also gives some great advice for

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