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Plain English with Derek Thompson

A Diet Conspiracy: Is Ice Cream Secretly Good for You?

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.81.8K Ratings

🗓️ 9 May 2023

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Today’s episode is about a narrow question and a broad question. The narrow question is: Is ice cream secretly good for you? The broader question is about the nature of uncertainty and truth, how diet science actually works, and how bias plays a role in scientific discovery. Our guest is public health historian and journalist David Johns, who has reported on ice cream science for The Atlantic. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at [email protected]. You can find us on TikTok at www.tiktok.com/@plainenglish_ Host: Derek Thompson Guest: David Johns Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:04.7

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0:09.9

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0:14.4

major moments in the series.

0:16.2

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0:19.8

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0:24.0

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0:30.1

Today's episode is kind of about ice cream and kind of about the entire diet research

0:38.0

industry, and kind of about the nature of science, and it begins with a story.

0:45.6

Last summer, the author, David Johns, got a hot tip.

0:50.8

He learned that a dissertation by a Harvard PhD had reported that ice cream was protective

0:57.8

against diabetes, and Dave thought that sounded pretty weird.

1:02.0

We all know the deal with ice cream, it is delicious, it's sugary, it's definitely not

1:06.1

good for you.

1:07.9

But motivated by perhaps a sense of wishful thinking, he went and checked it out, and it

1:13.3

turned out that the department chair at Harvard had himself produced data showing a strong

1:19.8

correlation between eating ice cream and good health.

1:25.1

So Dave kept digging, and he found another paper finding this connection and another paper

1:31.0

and another.

1:32.8

But when these papers were reported in the press, they rarely mentioned their ice cream

1:38.2

findings.

1:39.2

The scientists essentially waved away the results of their own science.

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