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The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss

A Dialogue with Label-Defying Journalist Jonathan Kay

The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss

Lawrence M. Krauss

Science, Natural Sciences, Physics

4.4592 Ratings

🗓️ 16 February 2024

⏱️ 169 minutes

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Summary

I first became aware of Jonathan Kay through his writing for the online magazine, Quillette. And for full disclosure, I got to know him better because he is one of their editors, and he has edited several of my own pieces for that magazine. Before that, however, I had been a fan of his writing, and was happy to be able to have an extended conversation with him about writing, journalism, false news, and politics, to name a few of the topics we discussed.

Our dialogue occurred shortly after the appearance of a comprehensive 15,000 word piece of investigative journalism piece by Kay about a supposed organized sex-ring in the Psychology Department at McMaster University in Canada. Outrageous claims had surfaced, which ignited the university, and the local media, destroying the careers of various faculty and others, all of which eventually turned out to be false. Kay carefully explored how the original story developed, what factors prompted the University to act, and how local media played up the salacious claims without much investigation. It was a typical example of how false news can propagate, and also an indictment of the way Universities handle such claims, and local media may promote them.

The appearance of this story gave us the opportunity to talk about the state of journalism in general. Jonathan has had a unique career and background, which made him a particularly interesting dialogue partner about this issue. He actually was educated as a metallurgical engineer, and following that he pursued a law degree at Yale University, and was a tax lawyer before eventually becoming disenchanted and deciding to pursue a career in writing and journalism.

He also defies easy labelling. While he was a founding editor of the conservative Canadian newspaper The National Post, he also helped Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau write his memoirs. It is Jonathan’s non-ideological bent, perhaps due to his early training as a scientist and engineer that makes his perspective on today’s news so refreshing. We discussed his own background, what got him into writing, his experiences, and stories including the recent claimed Indigenous Residential School scandal in Canada, and the controversy surrounding the naming of the James Webb Space Telescope in the U.S.

When I contacted Jon this week to let him know the podcast is coming out, I learned that he had just completed a lengthy investigative piece about University of New Hampshire astrophysicist/gender studies social justice warrior Chanda Prescod Weinstein who, in the process of claiming victimization for herself and others, has apparently been bullying, harassing, and intimidating a host of others online, leading to complaints recently being filed at her institution. It coincidentally just came out yesterday, so this podcast is particularly timely. I hope you enjoy the discussion as much as I enjoyed talking to this fascinating man.

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0:00.0

Hi and welcome to the Orgence Podcast.

0:10.4

I'm your host Lawrence Krause.

0:13.2

This past summer, I had a remarkable dialogue with a journalist Jonathan K.

0:17.9

Who defies all labels.

0:21.6

And one of the things I really enjoy about him is that his background and his experiences all over the map.

0:27.6

And of course, because it's an origins podcast, we began with his origins, which are really quite interesting.

0:32.6

He has a master's degree in engineering from McGill University in Canada and then went and did

0:38.9

a law degree at the Yale Law School for a while he was a tax lawyer before he slowly

0:43.9

drifted into writing and journalism.

0:47.0

And he was a founding editor on the editorial board of the National Post and has written

0:52.0

for many different magazines and is now an editor and writer

0:56.0

at Quillette, the online journal. He's also written books and also ghost written books and

1:02.4

helped other people with the books. Among other things, he helped Justin Trudeau with his memoir,

1:07.2

which is interesting, since many people might want to classify Jonathan because of his

1:11.4

background as a conservative writer, well, that's what I say. He defies simple labels. And our conversation

1:21.0

began around a story that he had recently broke, a huge investigative story, 15,000 words for Quillette that he'd written

1:30.0

about a claimed sex ring in the psychology department at McMaster University, which turned out to be

1:35.4

ultimately a hoax, but not before many people's careers were impacted. And he investigated this

1:44.1

in great detail, both its origins, its impact on the local

1:46.8

community, how local newspapers ran with the story without necessarily knowing any details. And it's a very

1:52.9

interesting example of how fake news, if you will, and salacious fake news can propagate throughout

1:59.3

the media. And we discussed journalism more more generally,

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