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at a guy that flipped a red seat. Hello, hello, and welcome to the conversation. I'm Dasha Burns, Politico's White House Bureau chief, and every week on this show, hello, and welcome to The Conversation. I'm Dasha Burns, Politico's White House Bureau Chief,

and every week on this show, I invite one of the most compelling and sometimes unexpected power players in Washington and beyond in for a chat

to find out how they're navigating and shaping this incredible era of American politics.

And this week, I sat down with Democratic Senator John Federman. Now, I've been following

Federman since his early, early days on the campaign trail in Pennsylvania, which means that

I've watched the full arc of his career in public office take shape up to now. And Federman

has never been afraid of disrupting the

status quo. Case in point, you may know him as the politician wearing a hoodie among a sea of

suits on the hill. But when does rocking the boat against political norms make waves for your own party?

With that question in mind, we talked about where Federman sees himself among his Democratic peers and the most pressing policy issues facing both parties in President Trump's second term.

Senator John Federman, thank you so much for joining the conversation.

Oh, it's great to be here. Yeah, absolutely.

Some people that have been paying close attention may remember the last time

we sat down together one-on-one was four years ago, and they might be surprised that we're doing this again,

but a lot has happened since then, and I'm so glad you're here. You've become a really impactful

voice in the Senate, and I want to dig into all that you

have been working on and speaking out on. I want to start with immigration because that is

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