Welcome to the New York Times podcast, your scariest sight, music news and criticism.

I'm your host John Caramonica.

You're listening to Aha from Little Dirk, 7220 is the most recent album in Dirk's Oove and also a chart topper.

Dirk has been putting out records for a decade now part of the foundational 1.0 wave of Chicago artists at the beginning of the drill movement back.

This feels like a hundred years ago at this point.

Dirk has had a tremendous amount of longevity, not insignificant amount of quote unquote crossover success and remains something of a viable hitmaker all these years later.

We're going to talk today.

We're really living in a full decade of drill at this point.

We're starting in Chicago, working obviously through the UK, but then back to New York, Brooklyn and the Bronx specifically.

So today we're going to talk a little bit about some drill touchstones.

We're going to talk about early Chicago.

We're also going to talk about the current movement in Brooklyn and the Bronx.

You know that there's no conversation about Chicago drill without David Drake, author of the original chief kiefs in his grandma's basement gocker story, which is literally 10 years and a month old right now.

David is checking it with us.

Are you in Chicago right now, David?

I am in Chicago, actually.

And we had briefly when the camera was on, we saw you were wearing the Frito Santana shirt.

It was a Joe fresh goods and Andrew Barber collaboration, I believe, from before Joe was a big.

Yeah, I was going to say from Frito Santana to new balance Joe fresh cuts, big art.

So David, of course, has been chronicling Chicago drill for many, many, many years.

So David's going to give us a little bit of historical perspective and also talk about the arc of Derrick's career.

Also, of course, Joe Cosgrole is here.

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