A Debate On Ukraine (Robert Wright & Anders Åslund)

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🗓️ 13 December 2022

⏱️ 78 minutes

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0:51 What Anders didn’t like about Bob’s Washington Post op-ed on Russia-Ukraine11:19 Was Putin always bent on invading Russia’s neighbors? 19:13 Bob and Anders debate NATO expansion 29:37 Should the West encourage regime change in Russia? 36:55 Are the US and NATO “fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian”? 46:09 The causes and consequences of Ukraine’s 2014 revolution 56:04 Is Putin committing genocide? 1:01:21 Possible endgames of the Ukraine war – and of Putin’s Russia 1:12:21 Could better US policy have averted the Ukraine war?

Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Anders Åslund (The Center for Social and Economic Research, Russia's Crony Capitalism). Recorded December 09, 2022.

Bob's piece in the Washington Post Anders' Twitter thread criticizing Bob's Washington Post piece

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0:00.0	You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.
0:08.4	Hi, Anders.
0:10.0	Hi, Bob.
0:11.0	How are you doing?
0:12.7	Oh, very well, thank you.
0:14.2	Good.
0:14.6	Let me introduce this.
0:15.8	I'm Robert Wright, publisher of the Non-Zero newsletter.
0:18.8	This is the Non-Zero podcast.
0:20.6	You are Anders Oslin. A well-zero newsletter. This is the non-zero podcast. You are Anders Oslin,
0:22.8	a well-known economist. And one thing that's very relevant to the conversation today is that you
0:30.5	in the 90s served as an advisor first to the Russian government and then to the Ukrainian government.
0:38.3	Your author of a lot of books, including most recently Russia's crony capitalism,
0:42.9	the path from market economy to kleptocracy.
0:47.0	You've served in the Swedish diplomatic corps.
0:50.3	You've been at a lot of think tanks in Washington.
0:53.5	And let me tell people the way this conversation took shape.
0:58.9	So I did a piece for the Washington Post, an op-ed that was called, let's see, it was, what was it called?
1:12.2	It was called...
1:13.1	Biden can help Zelensky and Ukraine by pushing for peace,
1:17.2	published on the 4th of December.
1:19.9	Well, thank you.
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