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The Rest Is Politics

A Deal With the Devil? Murdoch and New Labour (Part 2)

The Rest Is Politics

Goalhanger

Politics, Government, News

4.4 • 9.5K Ratings

šŸ—“ļø 16 October 2025

ā±ļø 15 minutes

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Summary

What was the nature of Rupert Murdoch's relationship with Margaret Thatcher? What led to News Corp's near-collapse in the late 1980s, and how did the company recover? Why and how did Tony Blair's "New Labour" court Rupert Murdoch's support in the 1990s? Alastair is joined by two-time Rupert Murdoch biographer, Michael Wolff, to discuss all this and more.Unlock the full five-part mini-seriesĀ The Rise and Fall of Rupert Murdoch – only with TRIP+. Members enjoy bonus episodes, ad-free listening, and early access to new shows. Start your 7-day free trial today at ⁠therestispolitics.com⁠   Written & Produced by: Nicole Maslen Video Editor: Josh Smith Social Producer: Celine Charles Filmed by: Charlie Rodwell Senior Producer: Callum Hill Artwork: Alistair Dixon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:03.8

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0:09.4

Just go to therestispolities.com. That's the rest is politics.com.

0:13.3

He's on the cover of Time magazine as King Kong storming the Empire State Building.

0:19.5

That is Rupert Murdoch. A man with a pretty insatiable need for

0:23.8

competition, for power, for money, for influence. He's a hero in New York, and he's the villain in

0:30.2

New York. If you can get the sun, then that was going to be politically helpful. He is not really

0:34.5

a Thatcherite at this point, and he becomes a Thatcherite because Thatcher is there, but it's also good copy.

0:41.8

She's using him and he's using her.

0:44.6

Ruper is a hard bastard, and he only respects you if you're a hard bastard, too.

0:49.2

You can do deals with Murdoch without saying the deal's being done.

0:52.3

And I kind of think that's where we were.

0:54.0

The man who has existed in opposition to the establishment

0:58.0

is creating a new system.

1:00.0

Murdoch is a man of method, a cold-eyed manipulator.

1:04.0

Everyone thinks they can be the one to get him to behave,

1:07.0

to stick to doing what he said he would.

1:09.0

It will never work.

1:25.0

Hi there, it's Anast here. Part two of our series on one of the most powerful men in recent memory, Rupert Murdoch, now continues.

1:32.3

This week we're looking at his involvement with British politics in the main at the end of the 20th century. First with Margaret Thatcher and then yes, my own interactions with him and Tony Blair and the way he chose to support us. Here's a clip from

1:38.2

that episode to hear the full thing and get the whole of the mini-series and the benefits of a

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trip plus membership sign up at the rest is polities.com.

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