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Deadline: White House

"A dark new frontier"

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

News, Versant, Ms Now, Donald Trump, Daily News, The White House, Nicolle Wallace, Politics, Nbc News, Washington Dc, Msnbc, Government

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Nicolle Wallace is joined by ABC News reporter Jonathan Karl to discuss new reporting in his latest book, "Retribution".

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0:00.0

Hi there, everyone. Happy Monday. It's four o'clock in New York this afternoon. The United States

0:12.8

appears to be sinking more fully into a dark new frontier in Donald Trump's malign campaign

0:19.0

of political retribution. With all the subtlety of a jackhammer

0:22.5

over the weekend, Donald Trump shared on social media, what was essentially a personal referral for

0:28.2

criminal prosecution, targeting the former Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland,

0:34.1

his deputy, Lisa Monaco, the former director of the FBI, Christopher Ray, and special counsel,

0:39.8

Jack Smith, without providing a scrap of evidence or even naming any of the laws he believes

0:45.1

they broke. Donald Trump alleged that those four officials, quote, spite on, members of Congress,

0:51.1

quote, taped to those lawmakers' phone calls, and, quote, rig the 2020 election, quote, taped to those lawmakers' phone calls and, quote, rig the 2020 election.

0:56.0

Quote, misleading is one word for Trump's accusations, fake, false, cockamamie, or a few others,

1:03.0

we can say on TV.

1:04.0

Because they have to do with the FBI's entirely lawful collection of tolling data.

1:10.0

That's basic incoming and outgoing call

1:13.6

information of certain Republican lawmakers in the time immediately surrounding the January 6th

1:19.7

insurrection. Last week, Jack Smith insisted that the subpoena for those records was entirely

1:25.7

proper and consistent with DOJ policy,

1:28.3

but Republican lawmakers have refused to let the matter go.

1:31.3

They are now using it as a political bludgeon

1:35.3

to suggest that they were somehow improperly targeted by the FBI,

1:38.3

which again was run by Chris Ray.

1:41.3

It's an entirely upside down and backwards situation. It is punctuated by the fact

1:46.3

that Republicans seeking Jack Smith's testimony want to interview him behind closed doors, while Jack

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