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I'm Rebecca LaVoy and this is crime writers on the podcast about other podcasts

and also about true crime pop culture journalism and this week will look at

the a and e autobiography miniseries on the 2002 kidnapping of Elizabeth

smart told by the victim herself and will settle a beef over a master of beef

rony and a few other fun games we're gonna play at the beginning of the show

joining me to dive into all of that is my true crime co-author real life husband

and host these are their stories the law and order podcast Kevin Flynn hello

Kevin also with us is journalist true crime author licensed private

investigator former defense investigator and patron saint of cat safety Laura

bricker hello Laura I don't know if I'm patron saint of cat safety this week I

am more like a cat stalker this week we can get to that that shit still going on

huh I have used all of my PI skills to their max to get a complete evaluation of

every orn male cat within a hundred mile radius of my house oh my god it's

like you're shopping for a used car and you have like all of those index cards

like I made for you Kevin when we're looking for a used car pretty much and

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