I'm Warren Smith, and today you'll be listening in on my conversation with Roland Warren.

He's the CEO of Karenet, a network of more than 1,200 pregnancy resource centers, the largest in North America.

In a post-roll response, well, what should we be trying to do?

Build strong families as Christians.

And then also help those strong families become disciples of Jesus Christ,

which means this isn't an issue that's outside the church that the church cares about.

It's actually the core mission of the church.

One of the most persistent slanders against the pro-life movement is that pro-lifers care for babies in the womb but abandon them when they're born.

Rollin Warren's life and work is a powerful rebuttal of that false narrative.

As the president of the National Fatherhood Initiative, where he spent 11 years,

and now as the CEO of Carenet, he's devoted himself to working for women and children in all stages of life.

But, as you'll hear today, Roland Warren is not satisfied. He will be the first to defend the great work of the church and especially the

1,200 pregnancy resource centers associated with Kairnet. But he will also be the first in line

to say there is still much left to do.

Today, we talk about the road ahead for the church in the post row era.

Roland Warren is a graduate of Princeton University and the Wharton School of Business.

He's the author of Bad Dads of the Bible and Raising Sons of

Promise, a guide for single mothers of boys. He spoke to me from his office near Washington, D.C.

You know, Roland, when the Dobbs decision came down a couple of weeks ago, I thought of you first thing.

What's your immediate reaction?

And what do you see in the Carenet world in particular?

Well, I think, you know, certainly from our perspective, the overturning of Roe is, you know, obviously, it's a very significant, certainly from a legal perspective, the overturning of Roe is, you know, obviously it's a very significant, certainly

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