I'm Warren Smith, and today you'll be listening in on my conversation with Paul Miller.

His new book is The Religion of American Greatness.

What's wrong with Christian nationalism?

If you're familiar with the kind of the horseshoe theory of politics, imagine the political spectrum ranging from left to right.

As you get further and further way to the extremes on both sides, that spectrum really bends into the shape of a horseshoe so that the far left and far light come to resemble each other.

And this is one of the ways that they are both cultural engineers trying to remake the nation

on their preferred model of morals and culture and politics.

What should Christians render unto God and what should Christians render unto Caesar?

That was a question that Jesus himself had to deal with. And Jesus' answer was both

brilliant and obvious, render to God what is gods, and to Caesar what is Caesar's. But discerning

the limits of our allegiance to Caesar is not always easy.

Often Christians overrender to Caesar.

We idolize political ideologies, or we tell ourselves that faithfulness to God means allegiance

to a particular political ideology. My guest today, Paul Miller,

believes that too many Christians have improperly identified Christian nationalism as falling

within the bounds of biblical Christianity. His new book makes the case for disentangling the two.

And more than merely disentangling them,

he says that Christians should recommit themselves

to a biblical Christianity that takes politics and patriotism seriously, but doesn't elevate our allegiance to party and country

above our commitment to Christ.

Paul Miller has thought long and deeply about these issues.

He's a committed evangelical Christian himself, who is also professor of the

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