I'm Warren Smith and today you'll be listening in on my conversation with Paul Miller.

His new book is The Religion of American Greatness.

What's wrong with Christian nationalism?

If you're familiar with the kind of the horseshoe theory of politics, imagine the political

spectrum ranging from left to right as you get further and further away to the extremes

on both sides, that spectrum really bends into the shape of a horse shoe so that the far

left and far right come to resemble each other.

And this is one of the ways that they are both cultural engineers trying to remake the

nation on their preferred model of morals and culture and politics.

What should Christians render unto God and what should Christians render unto Caesar?

That was a question that Jesus himself had to deal with.

And Jesus' answer was both brilliant and obvious.

Render to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar's.

But discerning the limits of our allegiance to Caesar is not always easy.

Often Christians overrender to Caesar.

We idolize political ideologies or we tell ourselves that faithfulness to God means allegiance

to a particular political ideology.

My guest today, Paul Miller, believes that too many Christians have improperly identified

Christian nationalism as falling within the bounds of biblical Christianity.

This new book makes the case for disentangling the two.

And more than merely disentangling them, he says that Christians should recommit themselves

to a biblical Christianity that takes politics and patriotism seriously but doesn't elevate

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