Lauren.

Mike.

Lauren, do you think billionaires are going to rescue our planet from the climate crisis? Is that a trick question? Yeah, they're totally going to do it. They're going to do it from their yachts and their private jets. Or PJs, as they said on succession the other night, PJs. It's hard to imagine, but maybe that's what we need to do. We have to imagine our way out of the climate crisis.

So maybe we should turn to one of the most celebrated modern writers of science fiction.

I mean, I'm game to try it if you are.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to Gadget Lab. I'm Michael Colori, a senior editor at Wired. And I'm

Lauren Good, a senior writer at Wired. We're also joined this week by Wired Senior Correspondent,

Adam Rogers. Adam, welcome back to the show. It is always a pleasure to be one among several

seniors. Nice.

Well, it's good to have you, senior, sir.

We've got a special show for you this week.

We're going to play for you a conversation that Adam had with the acclaimed sci-fi novelist Neil Stevenson.

This conversation took place at our rewired conference last week.

You probably know Neil Stevenson from his books like Snow Crash, Cryptonomicon, or the three-novel Baroque cycle.

My personal favorite is the long essay in the beginning was the command line.

His newest book, Termination Shock, comes out this week, and it's about a near future where the world is nearly ruined by

the effects of climate change. So Adam, you talked with Neil Stevenson recently for a featured

length profile you wrote for the magazine, which people can also read online at wire.com,

and you talked to him just last week at the rewired conference, which we're going to listen to

in just a minute.

But give us some of the highlights here.

You guys talked a lot about climate change in both of these chats.

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