A conversation with Gary Locke

Sinica Podcast

Kaiser Kuo

Culture, China News, Hangzhou, Chinese, International Relations, Chongqing, Beijing, Sichuan, Currentaffairs, China, Politics, Chengdu, Shanghai, Guangzhou, China Economy, News, China Politics, Business, Film, Shenzhen

4.8 • 676 Ratings

🗓️ 19 December 2019

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

Gary Locke served as the U.S. ambassador to China from 2011 to 2014. Locke was not only the first Chinese-American ambassador to China, but also the first Chinese-American state governor and secretary of commerce.

This week on Sinica, he joins Kaiser in a show taped in Seattle, Washington, to talk about his early visits to his ancestral village in China's Guangdong Province, the attempted defection of Chongqing police chief and erstwhile Bó Xīlái 薄熙来 underling Wáng Lìjūn 王立军 to the U.S. consulate in Chengdu, and rare details about the flight of blind dissident lawyer Chén Guāngchéng 陈光诚 to the U.S. embassy in Beijing.

7:58: State-level interactions with China

17:54: Working as the secretary of commerce under President Obama

33:32: Wang Lijun’s attempted defection

41:55: A look back at the Chen Guangcheng debacle

1:01:09: Xi Jinping, and how he changed

Recommendations:

Gary: Knives Out, written and directed by Rian Johnson, and the movie Parasite, directed by Bong Joon-ho.

Kaiser: The blog Reading the China Dream, which contains a collection of translated works of Chinese intellectuals.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Cynica podcast, a weekly discussion of current affairs in China, produced in partnership with SubChina.
0:15.2	SubChina is simply the best way there is to keep on top of all the important news coming out of China.
0:19.6	Our indispensable daily newsletter features a roundup with news from hundreds of sources,
0:23.7	plus links to the original pieces on our website.
0:26.8	Sying up for Sub-China access, you'll get all that and much more,
0:30.1	with stories and everything from the Beltin Road to Local Entrepreneurship and Innovation in China,
0:34.7	from the travails of ethnically Chinese researchers in the U.S. in this
0:38.4	age of creeping McCarthyism, to China's ongoing extra-legal internment of hundreds of thousands,
0:44.2	or by some estimates over a million Uyghurs and other Muslims in China's Xinjiang region.
0:50.2	We are sure you'll agree it's a feast of business, political, and cultural news about a nation that is reshaping the world.
0:57.3	I'm Kaiser Guo, and I'm coming today from Seattle, Washington.
1:00.5	Alas, Jeremy Goldcorn was unable to join me for this jaunt to the Pacific Northwest.
1:06.1	Today I'm honored to have as my guest, Ambassador Gary Locke, who was governor of the state of Washington from 1997 until early 2005, was appointed Secretary of Commerce during the First Obama
1:15.8	Administration, and, most importantly, for you, cynical listeners, served as U.S. ambassador in
1:21.1	Beijing from August of 2011 until March 2014. He's now advisor to the law firm Davis-Rite-Tremaine DWT here in Seattle.
1:30.6	Ambassador Locke, welcome to Seneca, and thanks so much for taking the time.
1:33.4	My pleasure to be with you.
1:35.1	So as anyone familiar with the recent political history of China can attest, your time as
1:39.5	ambassador was an incredibly eventful time with certain important percentages showing up the embassy
1:44.7	and at one of our consulates with a major change in the international environment
1:51.0	that made Beijing deeply insecure in part because of a new policy initiative coming out of
1:56.8	the Obama State Department.
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