A conversation with Caleb Kaltenbach - S9.E7
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🗓️ 22 October 2021
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
Author Caleb Kaltenbach was raised by two sets of gay parents. So he’s thought a lot about what it means to love and show grace to people who disagree with us on fundamental issues of Biblical truth. In this interview with host Warren Smith, Kaltenbach talks about the advice he gives churches that want to create a welcoming community without sacrificing their commitment to God’s word.
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| 0:00.0 | There's a difference between loving somebody as a community, you know, and having them come and taste what it's like to be in a such a community versus, you know, sweeping some people's bad mistakes or hangups underneath the |
| 0:22.1 | carpet. That's not supposed to be done. And so I asked the question in the chapter on |
| 0:27.9 | belonging, do people belong to the church because they believe or do people start, you know, |
| 0:34.9 | belonging because our lives have changed? And I think that it's both. |
| 0:37.6 | I think that our lives can change. |
| 0:39.6 | We can offer people a place to come and learn about Jesus |
| 0:43.2 | without giving them our perceived idea of free entrance into the kingdom of God. |
| 0:49.1 | And that requires a lot of intentionality. |
| 0:53.3 | I'm Warren Smith, and today you'll be listening in on my conversation with Caleb Kaltenbach. |
| 0:58.8 | He's the author of a new book called Messy Truth. |
| 1:03.3 | If you're a long-time listener to this program, Caleb Kaltenbach is no stranger to you. |
| 1:09.5 | He's one of only a handful of people that we've had on the |
| 1:12.8 | program more than once over the years. The first time was in 2019, and we talked about his book, |
| 1:19.7 | Messy Grace, which includes his own remarkable story. That story includes being raised by not two, but three gay parents. Given that |
| 1:31.0 | background, Caleb's own coming out story was truly countercultural. He came out to his gay parents |
| 1:39.1 | as a Christian. And he has since been following Jesus, pastoring, writing books, and picking up both passionate allies and a few haters along the way. |
| 1:51.0 | Today we'll be discussing his new book called Messy Truth. |
| 1:57.0 | His new book explores how Christians can cultivate a community of compassion for LGBTQ people and others with whom we have real and important differences without sacrificing our commitment to biblical truth. |
| 2:13.5 | In short, Caleb talks deeply and to my way of thinking, helpfully, about what it means to hold tightly to both grace and truth, to speak the truth with love, giving full attention and full voice to both. |
| 2:31.0 | Thank you. to both. |
| 2:44.7 | Support for listening in comes from Samaritan Ministries, |
| 2:51.0 | a community of Christians who care for one another spiritually and financially when a medical need arises. |
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