A conversation with Caleb Kaltenbach - S9.E7
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🗓️ 22 October 2021
⏱️ 42 minutes
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Summary
Author Caleb Kaltenbach was raised by two sets of gay parents. So he’s thought a lot about what it means to love and show grace to people who disagree with us on fundamental issues of Biblical truth. In this interview with host Warren Smith, Kaltenbach talks about the advice he gives churches that want to create a welcoming community without sacrificing their commitment to God’s word.
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| 0:00.0 | There's a difference between loving somebody as a community, and having them come and |
| 0:13.9 | taste what it's like to be in such a community versus sweeping some people's bad mistakes |
| 0:21.0 | or hang-ups underneath the carpet. |
| 0:23.1 | That's not supposed to be done. |
| 0:24.9 | And so I ask the question in the chapter I'm belonging. |
| 0:29.1 | Do people belong to the church because they believe or do people start belonging because |
| 0:35.7 | their lives have changed? |
| 0:36.7 | And I think that it's both. |
| 0:37.7 | I think that our lives can change. |
| 0:39.6 | We can offer people a place to come and learn about Jesus without giving them our perceived |
| 0:46.7 | idea of free entrance into the kingdom of God, and that requires a lot of intentionality. |
| 0:53.6 | I'm Warren Smith, and today you'll be listening in on my conversation with Caleb Kaltenbach. |
| 0:59.0 | He's the author of a new book called Messy Truth. |
| 1:03.6 | If you're a long time listener to this program, Caleb Kaltenbach is no stranger to you. |
| 1:09.7 | He's one of only a handful of people that we've had on the program more than once over |
| 1:14.8 | the years. |
| 1:16.0 | The first time was in 2019, and we talked about his book Messy Grace, which includes |
| 1:22.2 | his own remarkable story. |
| 1:25.1 | That story includes being raised by not two, but three gay parents. |
| 1:30.8 | Given that background, Caleb's own coming out story was truly countercultural. |
| 1:37.1 | He came out to his gay parents as a Christian, and he has his been following Jesus, pastoring, |
| 1:44.3 | writing books, and picking up both passionate allies and a few haters along the way. |
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