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no bull and the aftermath.

It's voices of care.

In the cosmic place, they ran away, saying that people who are experienced in bombings,

their views are of course much worse than mine.

And it doesn't matter whether they are Russian speaking Ukrainian speaking or even international

students, because our give-it-somes do a lot of international students do.

I don't think they are good Russians, not old Russians or any of that.

I'm Benjamin Widis and this is the LawFair podcast March 8th, 2022.

Katarina is a fourth year law student at a university in Clark, if Ukraine.

At least she was until a few days ago.

That's when the Russian army came in and started bombarding the town she grew up in and

studies in.

I met her on Sunday on Twitter of all places when she posted some comments that I thought

were particularly interesting.

We got to chatting and before I knew it, we were on a recorded line in the virtual jungle

studio talking about life as a Russian speaking Ukrainian in Clarkiv before and after the invasion,

talking about getting out of town and ultimately out of the country and being a refugee law student

in an adjacent country, it's the LawFair podcast March 8th, a conversation with a refugee

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