A Conversation on AI We Need To Have w/ Stephen Meyer & George D. Montañez

The Andrew Klavan Show

Society & Culture

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🗓️ 25 February 2026

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Today, I'm speaking with Stephen C. Meyer, Director of The Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, and and George D. Montañez, Director of the AMISTAD Lab at Harvey Mudd College–both of whom are extremely knowledgable on the topic of artificial intelligence. During the course of our conversation, they discuss the asymmetry between human intelligence & AI, the inability of AI to ascribe meaning to raw data, and the limitations of large language models. The real question though is: are we screwed? Let's find out. Stephen C. Meyer's book "Return of the God Hypothesis" is available here: https://a.co/d/09XMbviL George D. Montañez's video on AI model collapse:https://youtu.be/ShusuVq32hc - - - Click here to join the member-exclusive portion of my show: https://get.dailywire.com - - - Today's Sponsor: Policygenius - Head to https://policygenius.com/KLAVAN to compare life insurance quotes from top companies and see how much you could save. - - - DailyWire+: Become a Daily Wire Member and watch all of our content ad-free: https://dailywire.com/subscribe 🍿 The Pendragon Cycle: Rise of the Merlin is now streaming exclusively on DailyWire+ https://dwplus.watch/ThePendragon 🔥 Friendly Fire is here! No moderator, no safe words. Now available: https://dailywire.com/show/friendly-fire 📙 My NY Times best-selling non-fiction book, "The Kingdom of Cain: Finding God in the Literature of Darkness" has been nominated for an Edgar Award! Available for purchase here: https://dwplus.shop/KingdomofCain 📘 My latest novel, "After That, The Dark" is available here: https://dwplus.shop/AfterThatTheDark 📚 Save the Klavan by shopping my merch here: https://dwplus.shop/AndrewKlavanMerch - - - Socials: Follow on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3B5RI1j Follow on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3D7AzXp Follow on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3TXNt08 Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3Rtfifp - - - Privacy Policy: https://www.dailywire.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	The worst case scenario is that ordinary human agents will use the augmentation capabilities that come with AI to do bad things and to do bad things more efficiently than they could have done before. Hey, everyone, it's Andrew Claven with this week's interview with Stephen C. Meyer and George D. Montanyes.
0:35.0	We're going to be talking about AI.
0:36.6	There was a viral tweet or whatever we call it now, viral post by Matt Schumer,
0:43.1	who works developing AI companies.
0:46.7	It was called Something Big is happening.
0:48.4	And it basically was announcing that AI was about to take over the world, change everything.
0:52.9	It had the tone of a guy who had escaped from like a Nazi death camp
0:58.3	and had come back to warn the others that something unbelievable was happening.
1:01.9	It was this urgent, I would call it melodramatic tone,
1:05.8	that everything is going to change possibly by the end of the year.
1:08.6	But we've been hearing this for a long time,
1:10.3	and we've been seeing it for a long time, and we've been seeing it for a long time,
1:11.7	and seeing actually AI advance at lightning speed for a long time.
1:16.7	So I wanted to talk to people who actually know about this and find out if there's any truth to it.
1:21.7	Stephen Meyer is the director of the Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture in Seattle,
1:27.3	an author of many really good books, my favorite being the return of the Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture in Seattle, an author of many really good books,
1:29.4	my favorite being the Return of the God Hypothesis, which is so far, as far as I've read,
1:34.5	the best book on how the scientific reasoning for atheism has completely fallen apart and
1:42.9	has fallen apart over the last hundred years.
1:45.9	If you haven't read it, I really recommended the return of the God hypothesis by Stephen C. Meyer.
1:50.2	George de Montanier is an associate professor of computer science at Harvey Mud College,
1:54.9	and he directs the Amistad Lab, which works on problems of machine learning and information theory. And so we were going to
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