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I'm Antonia Ceregido and this is Norco 80, a podcast about God, guns, survivalism, and the bank robbery that changed policing forever.

Today, a look at American policing and the possibility of police reform from the inside.

In a previous episode, we heard from Rosa Brooks about the path we can

trace from the Norco Bank robbery to policing today. In this episode, we explore her research

as a scholar on war and violence and her personal experience serving as a law professor.

She is a law professor at Georgetown University.

She also recently spent four years working as a reserve police officer in Washington, D.C.

Police violence was very much in the news, and somewhat accidentally I learned that there was this reserve officer program.

Rosa first started thinking about becoming a police officer in 2011.

And just from the minute I heard about it, I thought that is so fascinating.

You know, no kidding, they would let me be a cop.

A few years later, she would apply and be accepted to the Academy.

She served in the DC Metropolitan Police Department from 2016 to 2020.

I think I went in, you know, a little bit thinking to myself, okay, these 22-year-old guys can do it,

like, I'm sure I, you know, like how hard could it be? And it was so hard. It's just so hard.

She began training nights and weekends at the Academy. The position was unpaid. It was just so hard. She began training nights and weekends at the Academy.

The position was unpaid. It was like doing community service.

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