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Begin at the end. What did he mean?

Why do you think he wouldn't convert the last believer and what was going on in his head and heart there?

Some of it was Scotch. But the rest of it, actually I think he was speaking his genuine sentiment, I think he was speaking in an unguarded way there.

I think you saw all the way through the film that his

central enemy is the vicarious of Christ. He keeps bringing it up. He can't get away from that. And I believe that he is not wanting to win. That's what it boils down to, I think in an unguarded moment he let that slip.

And so that's what I think it is.

Yeah.

You, your most common argument to him was that he must use an alien standard borrowed from Christianity in order to make all the pronouncements that he makes so effectively and you came at it in this thing a dozen times and did he ever

The only answer I heard was human solidarity.

What is his best shot at that argument?

Because that's clearly your main agenda.

Yes, he keeps saying human solidarity and innate impulses that we have and he has no argument

beyond that.

In the book he doesn't, he doesn't have anything beyond it's just innate it's just happening

well the problem is in an evolutionary system other things can be innate in eight

in eight things change over time are you going to be good with that?

Well he necessarily has to be, although early on he says he's not a relativist. So he wants certain

things to stay put, but they can't. Not in his universe, they can.

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