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Today, a conversation with a longtime conservative on the state of the GOP.

Tara Setmayer is senior advisor for the Lincoln Project

and a resident scholar at the University of Virginia Center for Politics.

Earlier this month, she signed the call for American renewal letter, along with over a hundred other conservatives demanding that the Republican Party loosen its ties with Trump.

Tara, welcome to Our Body Politics.

Thank you for having me.

As part of my upbringing, I was raised in a black,

but very cross, you know, ideology family, where my family has like black, Catholic veterans

and a lot of social conservatives, some of whom vote predominantly for the Democratic Party and some of whom vote predominantly for the Republican Party.

But I'm going to be real with you, and I'm sure you're not shocked, that in recent years, some of the most conservative members of my family have really struggled with how to exercise their vote, given the choices that they had.

So for you, how do you see the current split

in the GOP playing out? And how does it relate to you as an individual and maybe your family,

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