This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Tuesday, September 3rd, 2019.

I'm Caleb Brown.

The emerging conservative nationalism is something both old and new.

It recalls a conservatism that was, in short, less tolerant of what it sees as

the excesses of individualism. But even for many conservatives, a good bit of the conservative

nationalist conversation so far seems misguided.

Richard Reich is editor of Law and Liberty.

We spoke at his office in Carmel, Indiana last week.

Where do you trace the origins of this thing called National Conservatism or Conservative

Nationalism?

I prefer Conservative Nationalism, but I think the people who are the exponents of it prefer national conservatism why I will never understand

But where do you trace the origin of it? I would a couple of places to begin it's hard to locate proximate cause here I think of point is conservative fusionism.

Has, if not failed, is no longer really effective and can't win

national elections anymore.

They can win certain Senate seats, certain congressional districts, certain

you know governorship but no longer could win presidential elections and their

proof for that was Donald Trump winning states Republicans had not won in you

know several elections maybe stretching back to Reagan I haven't done the look but on

Pennsylvania Michigan Iowa states like that really came back in under Donald Trump, barely, but nevertheless he pulled him over.

And if you consider how far he was outspent and what you think would have been a much more effective campaign

operation and the press and all of Trump's blunders to have won and to have won those

states certainly gives their claim something of some energy and some stability.

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