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Hello and welcome to another episode of National Security magazine, the in-depth one-on-one conversations

we have here at Deep State Radio. I'm David Rothkopf, your host. Today we're fortunate to be joined by General James Clapper, one of America's

intelligence communities most distinguished leaders, and the author earlier this year of a book, Fact and Fears, Hard Truths from a Life in Intelligence.

General, I understand from reading the book and reading a lot about the book that it was never really your intention to write such a memoir.

What led you to do it?

Well, you're right.

I had not, even though people urge me just to record the 50 years or so I spent an intelligence but

really wasn't going to do it and I think the major catalyst was experiencing and watching what the Russians did to interfere in our election in 2016 and more and more evidence of that has come out recently.

And that kind of motivated me to record my observations and do my part to try to educate the

American public about the

profound threat posed by Russia who is still bent on

undermining our fundamental system.

So that was the that was the major reason.

So as you look at that and as you look at the course of a career that's banned 50 years and I believe your father was in the intelligence community too.

There has been this evolution of intelligence that has tracked with the arrival

and the information age and has enabled this Russian intelligence operation to become

something quite unlike any past such operation.

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