Hey, everyone welcome once again to the Conversations that Matter Podcast

I'm there's John Harris. We have an exciting podcast for you today that's I

think gonna help you navigate some of the questions that over the last I would say six months to a year have really come up in

Evangelical circles conservative evangelical circles in particular concerning things like what is a nation

what is theonomy is theonomy a good thing is theonomy Christian nationalism

what about libertarianism is that acceptable for Christians to be involved in a lot of these questions are open right now I think probably because of a few things but but most notably the I think especially with young people the

acknowledgement that the conventional approaches just haven't seemed to work and

people are looking for something that is going to

protect their freedoms and help them to continue, at least conservatives, the

existence that their parents and their grandparents presumably have had and they want to enjoy and pass down.

So we have a guest today who's thought deeply about these things actually has a similar trajectory to myself I think in particular regarding influences and

looking at different options and then rejecting some and embracing others and so I'm going to invite to the

podcast today for the first time CJ Engel who has a sub stack you can check out CJ Engel at sub stack dot com he has a sub stack you can check out c.J angle at sub stack

com he has a Twitter handle contramordor and then he is the host of the

chronicles magazine podcast everyone should get chronicles magazine so with that

cay thank you for joining us and

helping us navigate some of these things.

Glad to be here. Thanks, John. Yeah, my pleasure. So let's start here. You, I mean,

I don't know how old you are, but I assume we're probably around the same age not too far apart.

We've grown up at a time when conservatism has been changing. In fact I didn't know it until recently but that more

paleo-conservative line that I'm now advocating more, I guess that kind of died when I was a kid I didn't know it I didn't know it was happening and

and conservatism just feels dull the political conservatism in the mainstream and It doesn't seem like it's accomplishing what I think

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