Welcome everyone once again to another edition of the Conversations that Matter

podcast. I'm your host as always John Harris and we have a special episode on gun control and we're going to talk about what's going on not just in the world as it were. Matthew McConaughey just made this big speech and people are clamoring for all kinds of restrictions,

but we're going to talk about what's happening also in the church or in evangelicalism because

we're getting some of the same talking points. And so to help me discuss this though,

I've asked two people that I respect greatly.

First of all, we have Pastor Carrie Gordon,

he's a pastor at Cornerstone World Outreach.

He is also the producer of enemies within the church.

And you can go check that out at enemies within the church.com.

He's a third generation pastor and he's got some cool

stories we might hear about little later on about his grandfather Dr. mounts who

was the pistol pistol packing preacher and

Pastor Carrie Gordon also packs when he's preaching which not a lot of

pastors do.

And then we have Mike Dolan.

Mike Dolan was 36 years active as a commander,

or sorry, as a police officer,

and then he became a commander in special operations,

an assistant security director in Colorado at some of the largest campuses there

and then also he's done grade school security and so both of you thank you so much

for joining me and it is an honor it's an honor to be here thank you

Amen likewise well I want to start with you

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