A Busy - and Expensive - Summer for AI, with NYT's Mike Isaac

Channels with Peter Kafka

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🗓️ 13 August 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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What makes a particular engineer worth $250 million to Mark Zuckerberg? What does Trump 2.0 mean — and not mean — to people building large language models? I didn’t know the answers to these questions either. So I got the New York Times’ Mike Isaac, who covers this stuff for a living, to walk me through some of the biggest questions in AI right now — which means we’re also getting at some of the biggest questions in tech. Warning: This is a pants-free episode. Probably still Safe For Work, though. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:33.1	tis and see supply from the box media podcast network this is channels with p Peter Kafka. That is me. I'm also the chief
1:45.2	correspondent at Business Insider. We've had a lot of media talk on this show lately, so we're
1:50.5	going to switch it up and we're going to talk tech, tech, tech, which of course in 2025 means
1:55.4	AI. So I asked my old pal Mike Isaac from the New York Times, who has been covering the AI boom to
2:00.6	come over and make us smarter.
2:03.1	Today's a tour of some of the biggest issues facing Silicon Valley and AI these days,
2:07.8	which means we're talking about OpenAI's newest model and why these new AI model launches and announcements are kind of like new iPhone launches in the old days, but also not really at all.
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2:24.9	finding new ways to spend all of that ad money. And to theoretically corner the market on AI
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