Getting out of bed is incredibly difficult if you have depression.

And so the things that would heal you, you can't do.

And so it's, you know, insult to injury.

And then you also have an amplified sense of guilt.

And so you beat yourself up for not doing the thing you can't do and you know that makes you feel even more

discouraged it's just this vicious cycle once you're in the spin it's hard to get out of by yourself

but that said the key principle is whatever energy you've got if it's the ability to walk to the mailbox or if it's the ability to walk to the mailbox or if it's the ability to run 10 miles like use it and the other thing to recognize is that sometimes that varies wildly

It's a hard thing when you don't have the energy to do the thing to make you feel better.

So depression can be a brutal experience.

It can make you feel like there's just something fundamentally missing from your life some vital

spark that has been extinguished leaving you feeling numb joyless disconnected from

who you know yourself to be and more and more from those around you as well.

One of the toughest aspects is often the feeling that this feeling that you have it will

never end and that you'll never feel alive and connected like yourself again.

And this has become a really pervasive experience for so many people.

And typical treatments have varying levels of effectiveness for different people.

And often they tilt towards some blend of therapy

and medication.

And for many, these can be God sends.

But they can also come with side effects.

And for still many others, they either don't work at all or they only kind of work part way

Which is why I was excited to talk to my guest today Dr David Kerrian so he's a psychiatrist on the leading edge of transforming how we

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