Welcome once again to the Conversations that Matter podcast. I am your host John

Paris. We have an important discussion today on red pilling. Some of you who are in the internet discourse you understand exactly

what that is especially if you're younger but if you're a little older and you

haven't maybe seen the Matrix movies which I don't necessarily recommend or you haven't just

been part of the political discourse over the last few years that may be a new term

for you but I want to talk about this a little bit with my guest and he's actually waiting if I can push the button.

There we go. Streamyard's been a little laggy with me today, but Mike D Virgilio.

I hope I got your name right.

We were practicing this beforehand and I live in New York where there's a lot of Italians, you know.

Is that where your family's from?

Well, Sicily to Boston and Brooklyn Brooklyn, and then out to the west coast, and it's a long story, but yeah.

Okay, it sounds like my family.

It's like one...

Was for Ellis Island, that whole thing?

Side of the country, the other and all that.

But you wrote this book and of course you're a graduate of Westminster Seminary, you're a businessman and

an author, and the way forward is the name of the book, Going to find right is the full title and so before we get into it where can people find your book if they want to buy it

Amazon Barnes and Noble.

Okay.

Going back to find the way forward.

It's there.

My website has, which is just my name.

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