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You're listening to episode 258 of TV's top five, the Hollywood Reporter's TV podcast.

I'm Leslie Goldberg, the West Coast TV editor here,

and I'm joined, as always, by the great Daniel Feinberg, the Hollywood Reporter's chief TV critic.

What's up, Dan?

Keepin busy, Leslie, keeping busy trying to avoid social media discussion of brainworms

and other gross things that the internet makes you care

about these days.

No, you don't need to care.

I'm not forcing you to care.

Anyway, all's okay.

It's a pleasant, springy, early summery day in Los Angeles.

Yes, it's the week before upruns.

Remember how much we used to sweat this week?

And specifically the Thursday and Friday before upfronts, Hell Day is what we used to call

the Friday before up fronts.

But now, CBS's schedule is already out.

Most of the broadcast shows, save for just a mere handful of them, have already been renewed.

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