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This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C.,

and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello, and welcome to DSR's Words Matter, where every week I, David Rothkopfopf get to ask questions to the great and basically

all-knowing Norm Ornstein Oracle of Capitol Hill. Do you do that like the Oracle of Delphi?

Like you go up to Capitol Hill, there cracks in the floor. Gas has come up.

You sniff the gases. You go into an hallucination. I mean, is that how you do it, or is there some

other way you've learned what you know now, Norm? No, I learned everything from Carnac. And I have to say,

I do watch old episodes of The Tonight Show, and Johnny Carson's

Karnak holds up extraordinarily well. But fortunately, I don't have envelopes with the questions.

With the answers or questions, yeah. Well, I have to say, all, you know, I mean,

this is also, as we've often said, a couple of Alta Cocker sitting around talking, but

Johnny Carson is just better than current late night talk shows. I mean, he was actually

dependably funny. He was definitely funny and was a great interviewer also. And I thought, you know,

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