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Welcome to the Bowlerc podcast. I am Charlie Sykes. Once again, joined by our good friend AB

stodder dissociative editor and columnist at Real Clear Politics. First of all, good morning and

Merry Christmas, AB, if I don't talk to you before the holidays. Charlie, it's great to be with you,

and I'm excited about your holiday. Well, I'm looking forward to it. And I'm going to have a nice

quiet one, but we are all excited to hear in the new year about your trip across the pond.

Well, thank you. The reason I mentioned it's good to have you back is because I was just

mentioned before we started the podcast that I actually had you on the podcast two years ago to the

day, December 8, 2020. And I'd kind of forgotten about it. But you and I were sort of reminiscing about

that what a surreal month December 2020 was. I've actually been going back and reading some old

stuff and that whole period after the election. But before the insurrection, we knew that bad

stuff was going to happen. I mean, there was that ominous sense, but I don't think that any of us

could have predicted that it was going to be as bad as it turned out to be. It is. The surreal is

the only word for that period because when we look back on it, we feel almost sick, right? That we

were in this suspended reality where we knew that Trump was not likely to leave the White House on

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