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We're breaking with format slightly this time because our guest is not here to talk primarily

about meditation. Her name is Gretchen Rubin. You may know her from her mega bestselling

book The Happiness Project after that she wrote a book called Better Than Before. A couple

of things about Gretchen. One, she's just awesome and has been so helpful to me almost

irrationally so way before my book came out she gave me all this advice and was just

really, really, really, really helpful. And she then when I was starting this podcast,

I basically imitate her. She wrote a book, I wrote a book and then she started a podcast.

So I started a podcast and when I was trying to figure out how to do this thing, she actually

came on as our first guest which actually can go back and listen to if you scroll through

the feed on the podcast. And at the time what we talked about was her then current book called

Better Than Before which was all about how we make and break habits which is just so central

to our happiness and our health. And one of the things that she came up within that book

was this framework that she called the four tendencies that kind of breaks down how different

people respond to expectations, inner expectations and outer expectations. Obviously that's a huge

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