Okay, everybody, here we go again. Welcome to The Other People Show, a weekly podcast featuring in-depth

conversations with today's leading writers. I'm Brad Listy. I'm in Los Angeles. Thank you for tuning in.

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I'm going to be talking today with Shelby Hinty, author of a debut novel called

Howling Women. It is available from leftover books. It is a metaphysical, confessional

about violence, female rage, sex, addiction, and the lengths, one woman goes to rewrite a history she never consented to.

I had a great time meeting, Shelby Hinty. I've sort of known of her for a long time. I kind of

internet know her. Do you know what I'm saying? She's always on my screen. And she's a good literary citizen.

And I'm very happy to have had the chance to meet her and to talk with her about this debut novel of hers.

Again, it's called Howling Women. And you'll hear Shelby and I having a conversation in just a moment.

Today's episode is brought to you by Penguin Press, publisher of Pan, the debut novel by

Michael Clune.

Pan tells the story of a strange and brilliant teenagers' first panic attacks and how they

lead him down the rabbit hole.

This is a wild, hotly anticipated debut novel

from one of our most distinctive literary minds. Michael Cloon is the critically acclaimed author

of The Memoirs Game Life and Whiteout, the Secret Life of Heroin. Pan is a psychedelic novel and

a timeless coming of age story.

Harper's Bazaar says, quote, with prose, as strange as it is hypnotizing,

Pan will leave you breathless and wanting for more.

This book has been long listed for the Center for Fictions 2025 first novel prize. Kavei Akbar in the New York

Times book review says, quote, Pan is deliciously observed, ferociously strange, like a great painter,

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