#982 - Jesse Michels - UFOs, Aliens, Antigravity & Government Secrets

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.7 • 4.6K Ratings

🗓️ 18 August 2025

⏱️ 131 minutes

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Jesse Michels is a YouTuber and show host, exploring subjects like UFOs, consciousness, and reality. For nearly a century, UFOs have captured our imagination as one of humanity’s greatest mysteries. Are they secret technology, alien visitors, or something else entirely? Who is behind them, what has been concealed, and what has been revealed about them? After decades of unanswered questions, are we any closer to uncovering the truth about these unknown objects in the sky? Expect to learn why learning about UFOs is maladaptive to some people, how we know if UFOs are real or just a psy-op, if there are underground hidden bases with aliens scattered across the US, the connection with UFO sightings and nuclear sites, if UFOs might be just man made crafts or if there are other unknown technologies at play, if there is any evidence for antigravity currently and where it might come from, and much more… Sponsors: See me on tour in America: ⁠https://chriswilliamson.live⁠ See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular Flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D, and more from AG1 at https://ag1.info/modernwisdom Get $100 off the best bloodwork analysis in America at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get the best bloodwork analysis in America at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Timestamps: (0:00) Why is an Interest in UFOs Maladaptive? (1:36) What Does a Modern UFO Investigator Look Like? (12:03) Why is There So Little Evidence of UFOs? (20:24) How Do We Know UFOs Aren’t a SIOP? (27:47) Are UFOs a Global Phenomenon? (29:28) The Threat of Nuclear Sites (35:57) Why are Non-Human Intelligences on Earth? (38:56) Nuclear Site Interference by UFOs (46:56) Are the Department of Energy Involved? (55:58) How Far Can Civilians Go With UFO Research? (01:00:19) What Physics are Behind UFOs? (01:10:36) Where are We Currently in Physics? (01:16:25) Why Was Townsend Brown’s Experiment Never Replicated? (01:23:01) Why are Renegade Scientists So Highly Criticised? (01:37:02) Where Elon Musk is Going Wrong with Space Exploration (01:43:15) Are We Heading Towards an AI Takeover? (01:48:40) Assessing the Probabilities of Non-Human Intelligence (01:53:23) Consciousness in Quantum Physics (02:09:37) Find Out More About Jesse Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Check out Jesse's YouTube Channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichels Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	An interest with UFOs is maladaptive to most people.
0:04.8	How so?
0:06.0	Oh, yeah, you're quoting me on, I think, Danny Jones.
0:09.2	I think in some ways, and this actually speaks to, you know, we're on modern wisdom here.
0:14.5	I think a lot of what people should be focused on is the lower end of Maslow's hierarchy.
0:19.8	Like, it's like subsistence living,
0:22.2	you know, paying taxes on time, uh, uh, putting food on the table, being basically healthy.
0:29.3	And then I think at a certain point, then you start to care about this sort of more like
0:34.1	existential, you know, who are we? What's our place in the universe? You know,
0:39.5	what is humanity's place in the cosmos? And so that's why I think in some ways it's maladaptive
0:44.5	because if you don't have that lower end sort of figured out, it's like why focus on this sort of,
0:48.9	you know, really crazy pie in the sky stuff. That's so interesting that you think people have
0:52.8	sort of taken the stair lift to the top of Everest. That's so interesting that you think people have sort of taken the stair lift to the top of
0:56.0	Everest of those hierarchy of needs. It's like if you're asking, are we alone in the universe, but
1:01.2	you haven't got a steady job or your health's in the toilet or you don't have a community of people
1:07.4	around you, you're probably focusing on the wrong things.
1:10.4	100%. In fact, I think a lot of people focus on it as a circumvention of reality itself. It's an
1:16.4	escape mechanism. And so you want to get abducted or taken away on a UFO or something.
1:21.7	Better than this fucking place. Yeah, right. You want to throw Hail Mary because there's, you know,
1:26.4	things aren't going well on sort of a base level.
1:28.7	And so I think for those people, they should probably just focus on the core issue.
1:32.3	You know, if they have like a marital problem or something, like go focus on that.
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