Hey there, I'm Jason Gatz, and you're listening to Think Again, a Big Think podcast.

Started in 2008, Big Think is a kind of online think tank of big ideas from some of the most creative thinkers on the planet.

On the podcast, we revisit these ideas in new ways.

Our producers surprise me and my guests with short interview clips from Big Things Archives,

ideas that we didn't necessarily come here expecting to discuss.

I'm very happy to be here today with the physicist Lawrence Krause.

He directs the Origins Project at Arizona State University,

which fosters scientific research and collaborations

on origins of life, the universe, and everything.

His own research focuses on the interface between elementary particle physics and cosmology,

including investigations into dark matter and the origin of all mass in the universe.

His latest book, The Greatest Story

Ever Told So Far, is a deeply entertaining and informative account of the progress of knowledge

in modern physics. Welcome to think again, Lawrence. It's nice to be with you, at least virtually.

Yeah, yeah. You're many, many miles away off in Portland. I didn't want to give that away

to your original. Oh, I'm sorry. Let's, I'll take it again. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's just a

joke. Okay, you're many miles away in an undisclosed location. Deep under a mountain.

Indeed. And we tried to do this interview in three different states. This is the third state. And

I think that the takeaway is that you have to be careful with particle physicists because you never

know where they are at any given time and they might be in multiple places simultaneously.

And now we can do this in a state of confusion. Exactly.

So your book, I think I might be in some sense the ideal test case for your book because I am a person who is in some respects very well educated.

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