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The way that we trust one another is that we observe what you say and what you do.

And if what you say and what you do is consistent, then over time we build up trust. And that's the behaviorist model of psychology and I think

that practically speaking that's going to be the standard to which we hold a lot of these

AIs for the foreseeable future.

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Spotify app to get started. My guest today is Mustafa Zulemon on the forefront of AI

having been in the game so deep and for such a long time Mustafa is the CEO of

Microsoft AI and the co-founder and former head of applied AI at Deep Mind, which is an AI company that was acquired by Google

if you're sort of out of the loop on that.

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