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971 - The Years of Whatever feat. Will Sommer (9/22/25)

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4.69.1K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

Will Sommer of The Bulwark returns to Chapo to talk about the right’s reaction to the assassination of Charlie Kirk as well as his funeral proceedings in Arizona. We recap the Groyper War that preceded the assassination and the pressure it put on Kirk to move right, as well as the conspiracies surrounding his shooting. Was Israel involved? Why was there no exit wound? Did Charlie have a late-in-life conversion to Catholicism? And which faction of the right will be able to define the man’s legacy? Follow Will Sommer on Twitter/X: https://x.com/willsommer

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0:00.0

All I'm gonna be is a joke

0:05.0

All I'm gonna be is a joke All I'm gonna be is a joke Hello, everybody, it's Monday, September 22nd, and Chopo is back at it.

0:38.2

So beginning this week, we'd like to begin now with a time of healing, a time of whatever.

0:46.1

And joining us to discuss the ongoing ramifications of the Charlie Kirk assassination and

0:51.8

its political and cultural ramifications is our old pal journalist Will Summer, now with the bulwark.

0:58.0

Will, welcome back.

0:59.2

Hey, thanks for having me.

1:00.2

You'd think I was in the third chair in the hotel room the way this bull work.

1:14.7

We're going to be explaining that at the office.

1:23.8

That went over way better here than at a certain event that I opened for this weekend in Arizona.

1:26.1

They did not like that over there.

1:30.3

Well, I'd like to begin today's show. Yes, in Arizona, in yesterday, there was the, you know, tens of thousands of people, maybe, you know,

1:36.6

tens of thousands of people filled the football stadium outside of Phoenix to take part in a public

1:43.5

memorial service for Charlie Kirk.

1:46.5

And, you know, I'd like to begin with, yes, our comments made by our president. And will,

1:53.3

ever since the Charlie Kirk assassination, people have been trying to come up with like,

1:58.4

what's a pithy phrase to describe the American years of lead

2:01.8

I've heard years of lard years of lead paint years of bread but I think I think President

2:08.1

Trump really nailed it when he said a time of healing a time of whatever so I'm going to refer to

2:13.2

what's coming as the years of whatever but just just to begin with the memorial service, like,

2:20.2

Will, from your perspective, like, how does, how does the MAGA movement see both this

2:26.7

assassination of Charlie Kirk and this now, like, this period of public mourning and, like,

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