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I'm Bob Crawford, joined by Dr. Ben Sawyer. Ben, we have an interesting episode to air today.

One from our vault, and our vault is now empty once we air this episode. We don't

have anything in the vault. But we had this in the vault because it was recorded at a very

interesting time prior to the 2016 election. And by a very interesting time prior to that,

we mean like a week before, like literally the week before the election. We recorded this

episode at the Georgetown Institute of Politics and Public Service, which is run by Moe Lethy, who is a prior guest on the road to now.

And an incredible supporter of the road to now?

Just a good guy.

Just a great guy.

And again, somebody we met through Doug High, one of our many wonderful connections that we've made through Doug.

And it was so exciting to be there.

I mean, we spent the whole day, you know, at the Institute of Politics and Public Service.

And I just kept thinking, man, if only I could have went to college and had gone here and been a part of

this.

What an amazing start these young people are getting in life.

But it was right before the election.

And our guest was Martin O'Malley.

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