It's not an easy job, but the stuff you learn down there is what prepares you for all

the other stuff.

Look, if it was easy, the FBI would be doing it, right?

That's exactly right.

Yeah, I had no idea.

I had no idea about the ends and outs of the Department of State.

It was just something that I heard about on TV, but I have an appreciation for what

they actually do now that I've worked hand in hand with those folks.

Not that we're always in agreement with them, but without a doubt, that diplomacy is important.

We were going to talk about this, but since we're here, let's talk about this, because

you talked about there's a couple things you want to talk about, but let's not do it

after.

Let's talk about the work you did on the African continent, because that was one of the things

you wanted to talk about.

Right?

Some of the work you did there.

Let's talk about that real quick, before we talk about Operation Relentless.

Right.

Obviously, I retired as a senior executive and regional director for the African continent

where I supervised 10 offices.

I was first based in Rabat, Morocco, and then I moved my regional office to Cape Town,

South Africa for the last two years, because what was happening in Morocco wasn't resonating

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