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All right, everybody, welcome.

This is The Other People Show, a weekly podcast featuring in-depth interviews with today's leading writers.

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So today is Thursday,

and usually on Thursdays,

there's a new episode of Brad and Mira for The Culture,

this podcast's weekly pop culture assessment. But Mira is out again with yet

another emergency. Her pet, her dog, has been experiencing some health issues and had to be taken to

the vet. So Mira is out this week. And in place of Brad and Mira, I'm going to share with you today an excellent conversation

that I had with Wahini Vara, who is returning to the show for a second time, celebrating the

publication of a new work of nonfiction entitled Searches, Selfhood in the Digital age. It is available from Pantheon.

And it is a braided narrative. It's a kind of hybrid form. I love these kinds of books. It's a

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