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Welcome back to Part 3 of my interview with David Eccles Hardy. It's been an epic interview so far.

In Part 2, we talked about his involvement in the Selic City Olympic bid. We talked about him being a bishop,

having his son come out, and we talked as gay, and we talked about his struggles for several years as a bishop to make sense of it all.

culminating in David resigning as an LDS bishop and his family kind of exiting the church within a short amount of time.

And what it's like to do that in the late 90s before the internet and internet communities. So we kind of left you with a cliffhanger

where David Eccles Hardy is becoming a little bit radicalized or militarized as he becomes angry and angry or about

boyk packer and spend sort of a Kimball and miracle forgiveness and to the one and for young man only or whatever all those pamphlets were.

And him thinking about his son and other LGBT people that he came in contact with and all the sexual shame and damage and carnage that was going on in the 90s.

We didn't talk about Dean Bird by the way, but we did talk about him meeting a lot of LGBT men and seeing the carnage of mixed orientation marriages and celibacy that the church was leaving its wake with its LGBT.

So let's start did you ever hear the name Dean bird and did that mean anything to you?

No, I did and my recollection is and remember this is like 18 years ago. My recollection is is that Dean Bird had some affiliation with Evergreen.

He started it or was one of the main.

And not only that, but also what's the name of the Repair of Therapy group that there's some national association of Repair of Therapy.

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