All right, welcome everyone back to dissecting popular IT nerds.

Today we have Bill Genovese on the show.

And interesting subjects today, very excited to have you on the show, first of all, Bill.

So thank you.

And you have been in China for the last four years of your life on a working a pretty significant contract.

Why don't we just, you know, why don't we just start there?

Where were you in China?

Because this is, you know, especially with COVID and everything going on, this is, I have a feeling

there might be a story here or two.

So where were you in China?

I was in Shenzhen, China, which is probably the largest southern-based city in China, right on the border of mainland China and Hong Kong, the population of about 14, 15 million people.

And China's interesting because I have a lot of manufacturers in China and various different IT leaders that I work with.

And the question is always like, how do I get around the Chinese firewall?

Because every now and then the Chinese government goes into, I don't know, their Congress, their form of Congress, whatever it is, and I lost

all my VPN connections. So how can I get around this and make sure that, you know, we can do this

safely? And it usually has, it usually has some, the solution typically is a data center on

mainland China that is owned 49% by, you know, some cloud company in the United

States and or Israel. And we've got a connection to Hong Kong. So we go from mainland China to

Hong Kong and then we ride whatever network back to the United States. Anyway, it's just a little

side piece here. But you worked for Huawei, which is really spelled completely different,

right, with an H. But what were you kind of, what were you doing over there? What were you

contracted for? Yeah, I was working in the corporate strategy group, and I was vice president of corporate strategy for global

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