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On today's episode, we consider democracy.

As the great Leonard Cohen once saying,

democracy is coming to the USA.

Joining us to describe this delayed arrival,

we are very pleased to have back on the show, Ocita Nuevo,

whose new book, The Right of the People, explores this very question. Ocita, welcome back to the show.

Thanks for asking me again.

Ocita, in the introduction to your book, you sort of have a survey about the state of democracy

in America and around the world. And, you know,

given the state of things, you conclude that perhaps people are not as reverent of democracy

or, you know, don't care as much about the idea of democracy given the state of what it's produced

or the state of things in this country. And you lay out three statements that I'd like to examine.

And you write in the introduction, in the spirit of the Declaration, this book moves from first

principles, an exploration of what democracy means through three main ideas.

That democracy is good, that America is not a democracy, and that America should become a democracy through the transformations

not only of our political institutions, but of our economy. I want to examine each of those statements

and the claims are like what you mean by each of them. But I think it would be useful to begin

with, could you give us a sort of a historical perspective, like philosophically and

historically, about how you define democracy and what democracy actually means?

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