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Mormon Stories Podcast

945: Joseph Smith’s First Vision, and how the Church and its Apologists Mislead Pt. 2

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

4.55.7K Ratings

🗓️ 18 June 2018

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

In response to a recent article published in the Deseret News titled “Defending the Faith: The supposed scandal of multiple First Vision accounts” by past Mormon Stories guest Dan Peterson, we assemble an all-star panel to conduct a deep dive into: 1) The multiple and conflicting accounts of Joseph Smith’s first vision, and 2) How the Mormon church and apologists mislead church members about the issue. Our panelists include Sandra Tanner, Mark Crego, Warren Ludlow, and Johnny Stephenson.

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Okay, should I keep going Mark? Absolutely.

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In fact, this is Daniel Peterson. In fact, some criticisms of the first vision accounts and perhaps

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Prothorow's own sympathetic observation itself reflect simple logical error. For example,

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if the 1832 account mentions Jesus only, that doesn't mean contrary to certain critics that

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the father didn't appear. And if an account describes a vision of angels, that's entirely compatible

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with the vision of the father and the son also. In fact, the Lord Himself is sometimes referred to

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biblically as an angel. As a parallel, if I say that I'm at Frank at the party, I'm not there by denying

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that I also met John. And for that matter, Jane Bob Ellen and Stan as well.

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Sandra, you want to start with that one?

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Okay, when I went and talked to Le Grand Richards and we later wrote up about our event of meeting

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with him, where it was all about the first vision. But when I wrote up the story, I only say that

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Le Grand Richards is there. So then if some years later, I wrote up the account and I said, oh, by the way,

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the president of the Mormon Church, David O'Malley was there as well. I would think people would be a

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