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No Stupid Questions

94. What to Do When Everything Looks Like a Catastrophe?

No Stupid Questions

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Society & Culture

4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2022

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

What is the relationship between “catastrophizing” and anxiety? How did Angela react when her mother came close to drowning? And how can you gain perspective when the worst-case scenario is all you can visualize?

Transcript

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0:00.0

We had prepaid flights and there's nothing that gets Americans to do anything more than

0:06.2

just making good on their prepaid flights.

0:09.2

I'm Angela Duckworth.

0:10.6

I'm Stephen Dovner.

0:11.6

And you're listening to no stupid questions.

0:15.0

Today on the show, how can you stop catastrophizing?

0:19.0

I think you hate me.

0:20.4

I think I'm a bad person.

0:22.0

I think this is the end of our friendship and our working relationship.

0:31.2

I think of all the people I know.

0:33.6

You are the least likely person to catastrophize, which is a word I did not know until recently.

0:42.3

I think Stephen, by catastrophizing, you mean making a mountain out of a molehill?

0:48.2

Is that what you mean?

0:49.2

I'd read this article in the Guardian by a clinical psychologist named Linda Blair,

0:53.9

not the Linda Blair of from the exorcist.

0:56.8

I'm pretty sure it's not the same Linda Blair.

0:59.5

But according to this definition, catastrophizing is what happens when you hear some, as she

1:07.4

puts it, uncertain news, and then you imagine the worst possible outcome.

1:12.8

So I can imagine that if a person were to consistently do this, it would be really

1:18.4

damaging.

1:20.1

I could imagine that you are someone who does not do this.

1:23.8

So I wanted to ask you today whether there's someone out there who does this all the time

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